Simblesse Oblige

purplewowies · Member Joined: 30 Nov 2008 Posts: 327

I'd like to edit some of Inge's event control objects to dress children and adults in different types of outfits. Specifically, what I want is that when adults dress in formal or fashion outfits, I'd like children to dress in costume trunk formalwear or rave or disco costumes. Is this possible? What kind of hacking would this take? I have a feeling it would involve having a line asking if the person is a child (I haven't had a chance to look in the objects to see if they already have this sort of line), but beyond that, I have no idea what to do. I'd be grateful for any help! Thanks!

DamonDamore · Member Joined: 26 Mar 2007 Posts: 2039

I think you would only need to check for child to make sure it's an outfit type children have. Otherwise the game doesn't care, as far as I remember. Unless you're using costumes from the trunk, I'm not sure how those work (although it could make theme restaurants easier...).

bruja · Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 12:49 am Post subject:

Is it Inge who had objects which made all adults on the lot change to formal clothing, etc.? I seem to remember something other than costume change doors - very vaguely.

I remember Raeven working out the rules for the Kiddie Costume Change Door, so that the children, once changed into a costume, stayed in that costume as long as they were on the lot.

Something like that might work. Though if you want the adults all wearing their own formal and high fashion, etc., I understand that there is a problem with coding which doesn't allow children to have those types of outfits.

Your mention of the child rave costumes, etc. is probably a thought worth pursuing. Combining an object that changed all adults into high fashion with one that dressed the kids in rave should work. And the child Rave costume selection could be expanded the same way the child masquerade costume selection was expanded for the Kiddie Costume Change Door.

purplewowies · Member Joined: 30 Nov 2008 Posts: 327

She made the changing plants. They're at Simlogical. I basically I wanted to have a formal event where the kids weren't dressed for military school (the "formal" event control objects change children to work). The fashion/rave thing really came as a secondary thing.

bruja · Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 1:45 pm Post subject:

if the fashion/rave thing works, so would a formal one. Can you give me a link to download the one you mean, so that I can see how it works? If it's pulling child clothing from the child formal from the costume trunk, you could add child outfits to the trunk, make a clone and set that to recognize the new outfits.

Raeven and peter9g worked out the way to do that.

purplewowies · Member Joined: 30 Nov 2008 Posts: 327

Here's the event control objects: http://www.drealm.info/simlogical/sl/downloadpages/event.htm

I was originally looking at the ones that changed adults into formal, the pew and dining chair in particular.

The plants I mentioned later are here: http://www.drealm.info/simlogical/sl/downloadpages/dressing.htm

I currently only have the orange flower in-game.

bruja · Posted: Sun May 27, 2012 1:27 pm Post subject:

Well. i clearly need these objects, and I can't even remember if I have them. I gave up playing for years, and tried to keep at skinning a little, when I had time.

My only real contribution these days is a store of old memories blush

, like remembering how Raeven and peter9g hacked the costume trunk.

It seems logical that a new object could have some code added to "if adult, then" so that the condition "if child, then" could have the desired consequence.

I have a test game going, so when the rain starts later today, and I can't work outside, I'll have a look.

What a gift to theme games your idea would be!

bruja · Posted: Mon May 28, 2012 1:46 pm Post subject:

Didn't rain, so I worked til exhaustion. Then in the middle of the night, I woke up thinking about this.

I'm quite sure that you, purple wowies, know all this, but for those following the thread, here is some background.

There are 2 different ways to change sim clothing. One is the costume trunk way, which assigns random skins, like the Rave or Roman costumes. There are some "costume trunk doors" which work the same way - the Kiddie Costume Party door here at SO as an example.

The other way is an event controller, like the one in the base game which causes a sim to wear the assigned "s" swimwear for swimming or the assigned "n" for showering. Later expansion packs added other types of clothing to the character .iff body string, so that swimsuits and other types of clothing became "buyable". The act of buying (or of using the C&C dressers a bit later) rewrote part of the character .iff body string to assign a different swimsuit or whatever.

Later Maxis event controllers caused everyone on a lot to change to assigned winterwear, swimwear, or, in the case of high fashion, some on the lot.

Inge noticed that there was no Maxis event controller to change sims' clothing to formal, and created the hacks you linked us to. However, the character .iff file for a child sim doesn't have an assigned line for formal or high fashion clothing. So it looks to me as if Inge decided to incorporate part of the military school event controller from the base game, to dress the children differently.

I've been thinking about how to go about achieving your/our desired end result. The most desirable way would be figuring out how to add code so that the character .iff for a child could have a formal and a high fashion line. I don't think anyone has ever figured out how to do that. I do remember a dresser which put kids into "dressed up" clothing, but I think it had complications.

The second way would be to change the military school outfit by substituting a replacement mesh and bmps outside the far. That would produce a very limited choice of clothing for kids' formal outfits.

The third way would be to combine the SimLogical event controller with a child only costume trunk change. Using replacement outfits in trunk clone would allow 3 different meshes/9 different bmps, for some variety. Adding additional costumes as Raeven and peter9g did, would provide more variety, and conditions could be added so that the kids didn't keeping traipsing through doors and changing into a different outfit. The downside of this approach is that assignment of a formal costume to a child would always be random.

Raeven · Member Joined: 24 Aug 2006 Posts: 3751

bruja · Posted: Mon May 28, 2012 9:15 pm Post subject:

Raeven · Member Joined: 24 Aug 2006 Posts: 3751

Peter figured it out all on his own though we did indeed have some back and forth while he explained it to us.

It started in this thread
http://simblesseoblige.com/viewtopic.php?t=2932
and Peter jumped in letting us know he could add costumes in at this point
http://simblesseoblige.com/viewtopic.php?p=25002#25002
and answered a few question there.

Later I created a spin off thread about the hackery bits (presumably so it could ahve a more accurate subject line and be in the correct section. The original thread was a suggestion for an object)

http://simblesseoblige.com/viewtopic.php?t=3012

bruja · Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 2:16 pm Post subject:

Thank you, Raeven. That's a wonderful review of the topic, and gives lots of clues for possible future action. I'm reading all the threads slowly, happy that I now have more experience with .iff files than I did at the time the threads were written.

DamonDamore · Member Joined: 26 Mar 2007 Posts: 2039

I seem to recall there being an idea to re-purpose the string for that to some kind of child formal, as it's rarely if ever seen and surely you could send a child off to military school in a smart suit anyway. I'm thinking this was pre-vacation when children got swim and winter outfits.