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Theme: Stoneage and early north/middle European cultures
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Andrasta
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 2:15 pm    Post subject: Theme: Stoneage and early north/middle European cultures Reply with quote

Simtonic prepared a home for my creations!
I have a guest room at DoorToMore now!

thanks2 Martha!

>>> http://doortomore.net/andrasta_main.html


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Meanwhile I've learnt to create myself, and you'll find more themed objects within this thread for download yesss
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Even if in the title it is said that there are very few active creators left, I'll give a try. Maybe someone will be inspired the one or other way, or just like the idea.

I have always been fascinated by history of (wo)mankind, under biological, archaelogical, cultural, linguistic aspects, whatever. In the history classes at school (in the 80ies) they would teach us beginning with the Early Middle Ages, more or less. Mostly talking about regents and wars. Few hints to prechristian times, mostly Greek, Roman. In the English lessons they talked about "Dark Ages". That, and the time before? A mystery. Especially in Germany no one would do serious research about "Germanic" culture, for wellknown reasons.

Times have changed, and more and more fascinating discoveries and researches have been made, changing our view on the European - or better, Eurasian and also American, considering the migrations - past (I do not ignore the other continents; there are many important and interesting issues regarding Africa, Asia, Australia, Oceania, but that would be a too large area I would prefer to leave to those who are in it).

No, our early ancestors - and I talk of many thousands (and even ten thousands) of years ago - did not exclusively live in caves or in trees and talk "ugga ugga grrr" ;)
They had culture, religion, social systems, an astonishing knowledge of craft, arts, medicine, architecture. They demonstrably traded with even very distant nations / peoples. Human beings have not developed in a linear ascending, neither in time nor in space.

Considering that, I would love to start a theme about prehistory / ancient / prechristian history regarding (Mid/North) European Stone Age, Metal Age, Celtic, Germanic, Norse/Viking cultures. Where do we come from? How was life thousands of years ago? Are we so different from our predecessors? Much is still left to our imagination, though...

To begin with, I put some links with images here regarding clothing in colder regions, including famous "Oetzi" (Central Europe, Copper Age, Y-haplogroup G2a4 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_G-M201_%28Y-DNA%29 ).

His clothes consisted of fur and leather of sheep/goat (jacket and leg warmers/chaps), calf (belt), bear and deer and grass (shoes' sole), cowhide (bootleg), and grass (cape). And a cap of wolf fur.

http://www.iceman.it/en/oetzi-the-iceman
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/281363/Iceman
http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2012/02/iceman-was-a-medical-mess.html
http://www.uibk.ac.at/archaeologie-museum/sammlungen06.jpg
http://www.archaeoforum.de/viewtopic.php?p=34652
http://kiwithek.kidsweb.at/images/%C3%96tzi_Kleidung.jpg

Stone Age kids :)
http://wizard.webquests.ch/steinzeit.html?page=13337

Arctic fur clothing
http://www.feuer-steinzeit.de/ressourcen/kleidung.php

Copper Age, Iron Age (Rhenisch), Roman Empire(15 to 375 AD)
http://www.rete-amicorum.de/bildergalerien/kleidung/bilder/metallzeiten/metallzeiten.html

Roman Empire and Merovingian (5th to 8th century AD)
http://www.rete-amicorum.de/indexd.html
(click on "Bilder" in the menu on the left, then on "Die provinzialrömische Tracht in Gallica belgica und Germania inferior" and "Kleidung der Merowingerzeit" under "Kleidung")

Related sleuth-link here in SO
http://simblesseoblige.com/viewtopic.php?t=10119
Ah, and I am still looking for an elder tree ;) http://simblesseoblige.com/viewtopic.php?t=10076

This is meant to be a long term project to collect items that go with it, and to inspire creators who are bored and don't know what to create for the Sims wink



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh you had to, didn't you?

I can tell you first thing they wouldn't all be in grey or brown cloth. The most common color in natural dyes (which I am going to assume were figured out right along with spinning and weaving) is a bright yellow. Pretty much every green plant out there makes yellow.

Andrasta I swear you are just uncanny sometimes. I've been working on a site update that's been taking forever because of technological-type reasons (ftp and old browser issues which has finally forced me to learn CSS and PHP, which I need to do for the professional part of the site anyway so it's all good) and two of the meshes I just made are Celtic-ish ones based on bog-finds: a head after the Elling Woman, and the Huldremose bog dress, though I haven't fitted a skin to that yet to see if it needs tweaking. Let's see, I'm pretty sure I've got a picture of the head.

So yeah, I'm on a bit of an early cultures kick myself. I was even considering digging out my Gimbutas books and looking through all the fun Neolithic stuff she's documented. Some of the outfits are not at all what you'd think and are really quite elaborate. Assuming of course they can be interpreted reasonably given how stylized the original pieces are.

I have a bunch of chores I gotta do before it gets dark here but I'll be back, because what you're talking about is exactly what I've been thinking of lately.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 3:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Obviously I had to laugh

Yesterday, after I wrote this, a good friend called me, telling me she has found an interesting Italian book about European rock painting she'd like to give me (I know Italian) - get to visit her soon. She is planning to produce colors for painting by herself, and we talked a bit about dye plants, too. Must be in the air.

I just looked around in internet for the bog finds you mention, and more info on clothing and hairstyles. Sure you know this one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suebian_knot and this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clonycavan_Man (I have collected many sites but in German language.)

You succeeded very well with the Elling hair skin!

I learnt that the word Moorleiche (bog body), among other archaelogic words, was created by the first German female professor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johanna_Mestorf

Gimbutas I remember, but do not own her books. As I read a lot, usually I borrow books by friends or in library. Otherwise all rooms would be stuffed with books by now.

That's so great you are working on that site update, Thalia, I am looking forward to it smile

Now I try to sleep a little bit, I am getting tired (one probably can see by how I write ;) ) I woke up this night, sleepless, and had a look into here. I'll sure be fast asleep when the alarm clock will ring dry ....good night (or day) :)

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 4:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmm. ?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 8:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am delighted smile
Simtonic made these cute drinking horns for me I want to share in this place. Thank you so much!

Find Simtonic's wonderful creations at her Site http://www.boudoirblanc.com/



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 7:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fleshdolls' Stone Dolmen

http://www.fleshdolls.com/free/?o=view&type=8&pos=20&room=&function=6&theme=&order=

EDIT: site is down, but the Fleshdoll files can be found at CTO http://www.ctosims.com



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 9:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some links and hints for basic needs:

Viking theme at Bag of Tricks YG with hearth fire objects
http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/bag_of_tricks/files/The%20Vikings/

Viking skins (and also Etruscan and Minoan for the more southern early ages) at Magnolia's, of course
http://www.thaliatook.com/MS/msviking.html

Middle Ages themes are a good source for early living in general, much can be used.
Some items not to be found easily, like a sheep shearing and a ore/coal mining theme at Marf's YG http://de.groups.yahoo.com/group/Fotofuzzi/files/Middle%20Ages%20Stuff/

Fantasims site and YGs are a good source for nature objects
http://tfst.thefantasimtales.us/objects.html
*EDIT*: the site is down now, please see the Yahoo groups

Upgraded version of their waterfall shower in CTO (it is named better cleanliness, no shoo)
http://www.ctosims.com/the-files/cat_view/1786-cto-member-creations/1799-hacked-objects.html

where there are more suitable items (all with "better" in the name) like an anvil, a potter's wheel and a C&C trunk fridge

Aaron http://www.aaronofmpls.com/sims/ has useful skins (loin cloth) and items like a bush toilet and an invisible sleep-on-the-ground bed - use it together with fur rugs, for example Nyx's, to be found here http://nyxsstuff.weebly.com/rugs.html

More fur rugs http://www.ephralon.de/zcoppersims/thumbnails.php?album=54

CH2O bathe and sink in Maxis water (very cute, I think)
http://ch2o.x0.com/

Wheat crop and grindstone here at Simlesse Oblige
http://simblesseoblige.com/viewtopic.php?t=4392&highlight=wheat

There are pickable plants to be found in several places which are suitable for the pre-farming times, e.g. http://simsrussia.ucoz.ru/ in the Maya/Aztec theme. More items of this theme can be used, like the market items.

Added:
Cave theme by Simnuts in the YG, see
http://simblesseoblige.com/viewtopic.php?t=6267
(how could I forget to mention it!)

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Helpful for defending a village yes
http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/savingthesims95/files/Halloween%202009/Trick%20Or%20Treat/

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 1:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A different kind of spikes matching the theme perfectly - and I've found it right here in SO! yes

See this thread for Saxon heads with Saxon Spike hairstyle:

http://simblesseoblige.com/viewtopic.php?t=8472

thanks2 Bruja!

As I don't have the mesh, is there anyone who can provide the Fionn head mesh C913mlgt or tell me where to find it, please?
Sims1 stuff is free now over there, but I am not able to find it at Simfreaks.

EDIT: found the mesh, it is inside the 8DS DeGaulle skin:
www.8thdeadlysim.com

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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2013 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trying to do a lot:


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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2013 11:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

welldone This is such a great lot. I really love all your ideas in this build. notworthy
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PostPosted: Fri May 24, 2013 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Amazing! surprise
I'm with plans to build a historic (and prehistoric too laugh ) neighborhood in my game, I'd love to have this lot, you have to make it available for downloads?
I also want to know where I find this gables, never seen them before!
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PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2013 10:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you Sandycat smile

André, it's not finished yet, and I have not made a shopping list, so I could only PM you the house file as is at the moment, just tell me. Thanks for your suggestion, I'll think about making it available here when it's finished - may take a while, though.

The original gables are by Comhair (Rohan stables, to be found in CTO in Comair's LOTR objects) and are for roofs, but dear Simtonic-Martha transformed the file so it won't bleed through walls and can be used the way shown in the pics (but not on a roof anymore, so you'd need both files).

I PM the gable to you!

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PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2013 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you, I have followed his interest in prehistory and how you have adapted the theme to the game. I must say that this is one of my favorite themes,but i not having anything theme constructed in my game. But when you have finished the lot would be great to become available.
If you can send me the gables, I would be happy.
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PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2013 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you received the modified gable?
The original pieces for the roof are in Rohan Edoras Stables here
http://www.ctosims.com/the-files/cat_view/1472-comhair/1473-debsy-s-lots.html

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